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    Posted: 18 May 2006 at 2:32pm
What kind of tag did you guys out there use for implants. And who did you contact to get one of these done?
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Hi there!

Left hand = EM4102
Right hand = Philips HITAG S 2048

All my implant info can be found here: blog.amal.net

Tons more info about implants can be found on the tagged forum: http://tagged.kaos.gen.nz/


Edited by amal - 01 August 2008 at 10:12am
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Nice quick response :D

I want whatever one you can do by a needle lol, I really don't want to be getting my hand opened up too much, so what would you suggest for that? Any links on where I can pick these up? Thanks.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote amal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 May 2006 at 2:52pm
Basically all 2mm by 12mm glass implant tags can be done via needle (same ones used on pets). My left hand EM4102 was larger, at 3mm by 13mm, and had to be done with a scalpel. Research which type of chip you want to use before bothering with implanting... researching the chip type is most important.

I think www.phidgetsusa.com has 2mm by 12mm EM4102 chips now.

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Hello everyone,

  I am looking to get my EM4102, but I found several places where I can get the tag, but does anyone know where i can get a syringe to impant a 2x12mm?

Also, does anyone know if the Phidgets tags come with the "anti-migration" crap on them? I do no want one with coating, I hear they are more painful to remove if ever needed.

Thanks!

Doug

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The implant needle you are looking for is called an SUD or Single Use Disposable implant kit. It's a needle that houses a sterile 2x12mm animal tag. You just remove the animal tag and replace with your sterilized 2x12 EM4102 tag and you're good to go. I bought mine from a farming site:

 

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/pigstore/avmikit.html

 

What I did to sterilize my EM4102 tag and Philips HITAG S 2048 tag was that the doctors who did the implant procedure soaked the tags in a disinfectant (alcohol should work fine too) for 5-10 minutes before doing the implantation. The implant site was swabbed with iodine as well. I would not recommend using a device called an Autoclave, which uses heat (steam) and pressure to clean medical instruments. It will pretty much destroy your tag. - UPDATE - Ok, apparently I was wrong. I was able to successfully autoclave 5 EM4102 tags. Check out the details here: http://blog.amal.net/?p=714

 

Also, test your tag BEFORE implanting to make sure it works, and your application works as expected. Tape the tag to your body where you expect it to be implanted first to ensure the range is adequate and you can use the tag comfortably.

 

Most EM4102 tags I've found do not have the anti-migration coating on them because EM4102 is not the ISO standard that is supposed to be used for tagging animals, so the glass EM4102 tags are normally supposed to be used in chemical environments and such, hence no coating. Do your research though to make sure that the glass used to encase your EM4102 is the same bio-compatible glass that IS used to make the ISO compliant animal tags. Usually that is the case, but you should dig deeply with the manufacturer to make sure. They may say the tag is not suitable for animal use, but that's usually only because of the RFID chipset used, which is not the ISO standard for animal implants. They also state EM4102s are not suitable for animal use because they are not sold in a sterile condition. Just ask them to confirm that the glass used to encase the EM4102 is the same as the glass used to encase their animal compatible tags. If it is, and they are sure (not just some support lackey saying it is), then you should be good to go.

 

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Save yourself a ton of money and just buy the AVID microchip implanter for $8.95:

americanvetsupply.com AVID microchip implanter


(shipping around 7.99... order a dozen for your friends and save even more!)

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(btw, i'm building an arduino/atmega8-based rfid door lock.  i'll post the code when i'm done.)


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Sweet, thanks for the link to a cheap implanter kit. I'm also looking forward to seeing your project details and code!

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HI! What's the place to get biocompatible EM4102 chips? It seems a bit cumbersome for everyone to send emails for retailers asking if the bioglass capsule really is made of bioglass, as suggested. Can we just trust http://www.trossenrobotics.com/store/p/3618-Extra-Small-Glas s-Ampoule-Tag.aspx that has 2mm by 12mm EM4102 chips? Presently there's no info of biocompability of the tags..



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I have the phidgets one in my hand.  Had it since October 06.  Works great.  Haven't had any complications with it.  I have even smashed my left hand with no damage to the tag.  I remember reading somewhere these things can withstand 220 psi (insane!).

Hope this eases your mind about a phidgets one or implants in general.
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