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Larry_IOTW
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A similar unit “EM4083 - 3D Active Long Range Front-End” Data sheet here http://www.emmicroelectronic.com/webfiles/product/rfid/ds/EM4083_DS.pdf. This unit is designed for long range 3D tracking (position and locating) and its operating frequency is 115 to 140kHz according to the datasheet. Both of these units are designed to run at the same frequency of 125kHz. I believe that this eliminates the argument that low frequency equals short range. Realistic Read ranges The types of readers I used in my application could read any
type of RFID tag within 500 feet with 100% read accuracy. A model similar to mine can be found here. http://www.iautomate.com/products/Wavetrend-L%252dRX201-Long-Range-RFID-Reader.html The Mexican Attorney General who required his employees to be
chipped stated “The system is here and I already have it. It's solely for
access, for safety and so that I can be located at any moment wherever I
am," he said, admitting the chip hurt "a little.” “The chips would enable the wearer to be
found anywhere inside I believe that my commentary also covers the issue “Some people are also concerned that some day, a technology may exist to read a passive implanted tag at a longer distance.” It clearly exists now. 2) “As I said before, at least with
RFID, you can opt out by tossing your RFID card or removing the implant” There are two implantable versions of the RFID chip. One claims to be non-removable and the other is claimed to be removable. From the above article about the Mexican Attorney General "It's an area of high security, it's necessary that we
have access to this, through a chip, which what's more is unremovable,"
Macedo told reporters.
On my web page here, http://www.indexoftheweb.com/Patriot/RFID_Mark_Of_The_Beast.htm I list several cases where chip implementation is required
by governments and employers. Many states
have passed laws prohibiting forced implantation because so many governmental
agencies have discussed it. One
memorable case is when What this (Amal’s) website is about is a hobby. The more concerning aspect of this is when implantable RFID becomes secure enough to be used in monetary transactions. When RFID chips were integrated into credit cards, it resulted in a nightmare due to its lack of security. The security is improving and RFID credit cards will become the norm. The next step will be the RFID in the hand. This will occur only after a more secure platform has been established. Currently, it is very easy to clone an RFID chip. The real problem with this is not the tracking and tracing. The real problem is control. Currently, the government can lock your bank account for hundreds of reasons and they often do. Imagine the possibility of the only being able to access the money in your bank account through a chip in your hand. Now consider identity theft. The concept of an electronic money system accessed by a unique identifier is decades old. IBM has thrown hundreds of millions of dollars at trying to develop such a system. IBM has financed and bailed out VeriChip, Digital Angel, Applied Digital Solutions or Positive ID (depending on what their name is this week) may times for tens of millions of dollars. They are the creators of the implantable microchip. Currently, there are millions of people on the government’s “no fly list” including five and six year old children. When questioned, the government claims that they no responsibility to respond to any requests as to why or requests for removal. The Obama administration is attempting to expand the function of the “no fly list” to limit purchases on things such as firearms. Edited by Larry_IOTW - 18 July 2010 at 8:54am |
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amal
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Larry, thanks for your rather involved post. I hope to offer some lively counterpoints so we may continue the discussion.
What really matters is the size and shape of the implant antenna. My 3x13mm tag has a cylindrical coil antenna and even using a high power reader with a huge gate antenna, getting a read from this tag is very difficult even at 12 inches. That is why Professor Kevin Warwick had a very large 1" long glass tag temporarily implanted in his arm rather than a smaller tag like my 3x13mm or 2x12mm tag. With this tag and some very high powered readers and entire door frames that were converted into giant antennas, a range of a 2-3 feet was possible.
I've used the reader device you've referenced and it is an active RFID reader. I even use it for one of my projects in my book. The difference between an active RFID system and a passive system is tremendous. Ranges of a few feet to several miles are possible when using an active system. The RFID implants being used today are all passive. Nobody wants surgery to replace tags/batteries every few years. Also, part of the quote about kidnapping you left out was that this was said by "Macedo", the Mexican Attorney General... not a representative of VeriChip or even a tech. The fact is, this statement is false. This is just not possible at the moment. If anything, I think this might have been a deliberate fabrication to
try to fool kidnappers of being afraid of taking officials who have an
implant. VeriChip does have a patent for an active tag that is implantable and can assist in actually locating someone, but it is meant to be implanted under the collarbone, near the neck. However it is not approved for use or sale by any country's health authority.
First, I want to say that the reason these chips are "not removable" is because every RFID tag that is designed and approved for implantation, either in a cow, a pet, or a person, has an anti-migration coating on it. This coating is the reason the tag is "not removable", as it is very porous and is designed to allow your flesh to grow into the pours and lock the tag in place. However, removal is still possible... it's just very difficult. Several people have undergone VeriChip removal procedures. The truth is, there are no RFID implants designed to be removable. The reason I and other DIY taggers can easily remove ours is that our implants are not meant for, or sold for implantation in any living body. They are designed for embedding in products or use in harsh chemical environments. Therefore they do not have this anti-migration coating and are simply smooth glass casings for the RFID tag. Removal would be a very simple prospect and could be done with a steak knife if necessary. Finally, the "high security" mumbo jumbo from the Mexican Attorney General is simply a parroting of the VeriChip marketing materials. Reading and emulating a VeriChip tag is simple. There is no encryption employed by VeriChip implants at this time.
In looking at your page, you offer four examples of "forced" implantation. Let's go over them one at a time; Mexican Officials Get Chipped - They themselves volunteered for this procedure. This was not a law that was passed that forced officials to get an implant. VeriChip, the Military, and Digital Dog Tags - Even though this has not yet come to pass, if it did I'm sure it would be a voluntary procedure since the soldier would retain the tag after their term of service with the military has ended. There is a term used for unnecessary conditions which are retained by a person after they serve their term or sentence, unfortunately I can't remember what it is, but this would fall under that concept and I don't think the program would gain much traction if it were simply required. Also, removal after serving would still be possible, and may pave the way for more soldiers to get an implant if the military paid for removal procedures after discharge. Company reuqired RFID injection - There was a lot of media hubbub over this company supposedly forcing employees to get implants, but this is simply false. The employees that received the implants did so voluntarily. There were 3 other employees who accessed the same "secure" datacenter using keyfobs on their keychains. Airport employees getting implanted - Again, there is nothing to this. Watch the video... there is only one mention of "even possibly" a chip implant, but the truth is the focus for checking identity rests squarely on biometric readers (fingerprints, etc.). Bottom line, the day some company or government office required someone to get surgery will be the day a federal law will be enacted banning such practices. Already there are several states, including California and Washington with laws on the books that ban such requirements.
I agree with you on one point, the problem is control. Using hard currency is the only way to ensure you can spend the money you've earned. As for the nightmare that ensued with credit cards getting RFID tags in them, I agree the method by which they implemented their system was dumb. It put the decryption keys into easily obtainable POS readers and there were several people that went out and showed how they could easily read credit cards using a $50 point of sale reader they picked up, but this is far from a nightmare. To date, I can't think of any actual reports of anyone getting scammed this way... even though I'm sure some people have been. But again, this is far from a nightmare. The credit card industry puts tighter controls on RF transactions than it does swipe transactions. There is an amount limit on RF transactions, and they still check to make sure someone isn't using a swipe or RF transaction in New York, then in Boston 20 minutes later. Electronic money may become the "only money", but my bet is that will be by choice not mandate. If anything, I think people should demand a federal level law that states hard currency must always be accepted as a legal can valid form of payment at all establishments. One of the things I talked about at ISTAS in June was the "anonymous option", where I posited that every financial transaction should offer an anonymous option. An example would be to always require at least one cash booth at a toll road or toll bridge. There have been reports that some tollways are considering doing away with the cash booths all together, but at this point in society that's not practical because tons of people still use cash and it would be more hassle dealing with travelers who did not have an electronic payment option on hand. If society truly does convert completely to electronic money, then I'm sure without a law like that more places would simply stop taking cash. It's cause and effect, and having a requirement to always accept cash will stop that process of total conversion. The no-fly list... read this blog post, especially the bottom two paragraphs. It illustrates why allowing systems of totalitarian control (either government or private) is a bad idea. Those systems become authorities in their own right and abuse becomes rampant. |
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I'm curious - let's say for conversation's sake that you DID get a pacemaker. Or a false hip. Etc etc. Hopefully you won't have to, but let's imagine that you did.
La-dee-da, everything is fine. You're living great with that pacemaker, or hip, or whatever. Six months go by. You no longer notice any difference because you're so used to it. Then you go to the doctor for a checkup and he waves a wand over it. You ask "what's that?" to which he replies something along the lines of "Oh, it reads the status of your (insert whatever it is) implant. It uses an RFID tag to report the status to the reader." Uh-oh. An RFID? In your body? What would you do? Have it removed because it uses RFID to function? How much would your beliefs in the technology change if your livelihood depended on it? To be quite honest and I in no way intend for this to cause an argument, flame war, or anything like that, but we as a race are constantly evolving. Less than 150 years ago electricity in every home was a pipe dream, if that. Less than one hundred years ago people laughed at the thought of those new-fangled 'horseless carriages'. Fifty years ago humans had not left earth's atmosphere. As we evolve and grow, so do our technologies. We're using more of our brains and harnessing and using more and more of the physical world around us to enhance our lives. When electricity was first wide-spread, I'm sure quite a few people died and got injured from it. There were people who shunned it (there are a few people who still do!). Same thing for the automobile. People crashed, People used the technology in ways it shouldn't be used. People refused to get rid of their horses. People thought it was ridiculous that we were in space! And now as the technology moves forward, the line slowly starts to blur between what is mechanical and electrical and what is biological and living. Thousands of people worldwide are dependent on some kind of in-body technology that keeps them living. I'm not saying that RFID is the new artificial heart or cure to cancer or anything. But it's one step closer to what comes tomorrow. What comes in a decade. A century from now. As this line between man and machine blurs, there will be people who will rise against it. People who will shun it. But just like those who turned the other cheek to electricity, to cars, to space, to modern medicine and now, in it's own little footnote in human advancement, to RFID, those nay-sayers will be forgotten. They're voices will fade as the rest of the world embraces new ideas, new technologies and new developments. I honestly hate that I feel this way, but being 24 I do. And quite a few other people I know do too: we're waiting for a large percentage of the generation before us to die. When that happens, I have a strong feeling that a large number of the social 'no-nos' that don't really matter will be moved past. One that jumps to mind is the whole 'don't let gays do anything that us normal people can' thing. The generation before mine is that one that most of the anti-gay people are from and to be honest I cannot wait until they're no longer in places of power to limit these things. Same thing goes for RFID. I'm losing steam here. Basically, if you don't like it, than fine. But just know that the rest of us will accept advancement with open arms and our lives will be that much better because of it. Again, I mean no offence to anyone. There has to be people to argue the other side of the fight. But it's 2010. Have an open mind. Jeeze.
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Hi Ecnal,
Thank you for a fairly in-depth post on the subject. Your post is very clearly written and intelligently makes your points. My only comment would be that I feel the reason people who dislike RFID react they way they do because of something that has nothing to do with the technology itself, but the potential abuses it could enable. By that, I mean electricity and cars are not embedded in a person's body and don't have the same promiscuous nature that RFID devices do. That promiscuity... the propensity to communicate with devices outside the body with or without a person's consent or knowledge, is at the heart of the issue. Couple that with the fact that these communications will uniquely identify the person from whom they emanate, and you've got some serious potential for abuse by 3rd parties. The enabling factor of the technology is the issue. However, I've used the argument that we still use computers, even though the Nazi's contracted IBM to help catalog and manage the eradication of their Jewish prisoners. Now when you talk about space flight, that's a pretty good discussion point right there. The catalyst for space flight in the USA wasn't exploration or any other noble reason, it was old fashioned fear. With the launch of Sputnik, the US needed to ramp up their space program in a hurry, and the moon mission was the best way to get the entire country behind it. My point being, human entry into space is a massively powerful enabling technological advancement, and it is being used for both good and what I would consider to be bad purposes. Space flight enables us to perform experiments in space that yield tangible benefits back on Earth. It allows us to launch GPS and communications satellites into orbit for the benefit of both civilians and the military. To date, the military can ID people on the ground from space, launch automomous drones, and kill targets and innocent civilian bystanders... all enabled by space flight. I guess what I'm saying is, RFID is a very large diverse set of technologies with diverse capabilities... and each variation of RFID enables people to do good or bad things with those capabilities. There are very real issues that must be worked out before RFID can become a stable part of our society, and I think the rabblerousers play an important role in that conversation, even if they are sometimes misguided or uninformed. Ultimately though, you must keep in mind that most of them are not protesting the technology per-say... most of the time their real concern is over what people will do with it... even if that's not what the words they use actually say. |
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> Removal would be a very simple prospect and could be done with a steak knife if necessary.
If nothing else, this could produce some epic Youtube videos for the further glory and entertainment of The Internets... |
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RFID is a red herring in this discussion. The technology is too weak and cumbersome to impose a true pervasive threat, the form and shape that is often depicted by privacy defenders. The overarching trend is that as we move into the age of transhumanism and beyond what we've traditionally defined as humans. The technologies used for this are largely irrelevant. What is now debated as 'problems' with RFID will go away completely as we, as a species, reinvent ourselvs into something that works according to whole different set of rules and assumptions.
Fighting technological progress, and the further integration of society into the Singularity, is too late. The battle is over, technology is winning and within a few decades we will hardly be recognizable as the humans we are now, with our crappy biological bodies that are only the way the are because of evolution and can be improved upon hugely with designed technology and our 'individualism' where each person is defined by the (partly) stochastic chemical processes in their own brain. Within a few generations we will have transferred ourselves onto silicon (or the future equivalent of it), with networked brains where we won't need kludges like 'language' to communicate. In the transition phase, we won't have cash for much longer, maybe a few decades? Not because of the reason cited above (malevolent government power-grabbing); no it will be because it's so much easier to not have to deal with cash that we will gravitate naturally towards a fully electronic economy. At some point the only uses of cash will be 90% criminal, and cash money will be taken out of circulation completely. (as a side note in response to the 3% of current transactions being in cash; that number is distorted by huge transactions between financial institutions, I'd be more interested in figures on the amount of cash transactions between consumers) The same goes for the debate about 'government tracking'. Once all 'humans' (depending on how you define that; this includes the minds that will live only on silicon!) are networked and interconnected, the whole concept of 'privacy' and 'individuality' will disappear. Much like the Borg in Star Trek; although there the creators went out of their way to depict is as something evil. I see no reason why it should be dystopic. Members of the hive mind may be better off than as individuals; I don't see any situations in which the 'individuality' would be the better choice. Once we have this 'hive mind' (for lack of a better word), the whole concept of 'government' will go away. There will be no more individuals governing the rest, the collective will be one. So all arguments on why pervasive monitoring is bad go out of the window. And yes there will be people who will not want to be part of the greater whole. Fine, they can continue to live their lives as they live them now. However they will be an inferior species, much like the difference in intellect now between us and our dogs. The hive mind will presumably let them go their merry ways, I don't see a reason why there should be antagony towards them. And this will happen fast. Technology improves with a constant *rate* of change, it doesn't increase linearly. We now live in an age where we are in the 'knee' of the curve, at the dawn of exponential growth. Since a few years We have computers that exceed the computational capacity of human brains, in a few years they will exceed them by orders of magnitude. The software isn't there yet but as we get better microscopes and more simulation capabilities we will unravel the nature of consciousness and creativity in a few decades or less. The rest (neural interfaces, improving human intelligence by using improved brains) is merely an 'implementation detail'. Anyway my concluding point is that all the dangers brought up here are true in a certain way, but irrelevant over the long and even medium term. Technology will change all the underlying assumptions of political philosophy, the role of individuality, power balances in society. Rather than worry about it, it's (imo) better to embrace and prepare for it. |
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Hmm, interesting point of view, and thanks for posting it! I agree with a lot of it, however slightly less fervently. The fact of the matter for me is; we live in the now and these are real problems right now. Your argument may be valid to a person living 25-50 years from now, but today it seems akin to a Jewish person living in Germany in 1933 saying "I don't need to worry because in 12 years, WWII will have happened, Germany will surrender, and the Jews will be freed from persecution".
My point being, real damage can be done to people's lives now. Abuses of the power that technology affords people occur all the time, in fact some very minor abuses have cost friends of mine 7 years of their lives in jail. In short, the path we take to get to the Singularity absolutely matters. Another worry I have is that, as you stated, technology builds upon itself and the rate of development is exponential. If you were to chart technological development it would create a near perfect parabola. But what worries me is that it is becoming a house of cards that people build ever-higher, without worrying about creating a stable base by understanding just how fragile and powerful these advances are. Over and over history has shown entire advanced civilizations completely wiped out by their lack of understanding just how the technology they created and came to rely on truly affected their societies. Better hunting techniques enabled gluttony which allowed a period of short but explosive growth, then total collapse. Better farming techniques urged societies to clear swaths of land for farms, destroying their societies natural protection against flooding and landslides... and entire villages and societies were carried away by currents or buried under tons of earth. My concern is simply one of scope. In history, those mistakes affected relatively small groups of people. Today we've built such a high technological peak that the scope is global. If we survive as a species and continue to develop our technology over the next hundred years, that scope could become the entire solar system or even galaxy. Evolution, whether it be physical/natural or sociological/technological is a messy, unstoppable force, and I don't suggest we even try to stop or even curtail it. I do suggest we as a species put as much energy into safely evaluating and integrating technology into society as we do advancing the technology itself. That will never happen unless we collectively realize the risks we run, as well as the rewards we would absolutely reap if we did. |
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isnt TMOB more disposed to be a tatoo or a scar in any case? "so that all may see". not flamen op in any stretch of the imagination. fears of things that resemble what we're taught to stay away from are valid, just throwin that out there.
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