RFID Toys Homepage
Holy crap, check out the Dangerous Things store!
Forum Home Forum Home > Projects and such > Parts and info
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - 125 khz reader active component
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

125 khz reader active component

 Post Reply Post Reply
Author
Message
MikelMD View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 16 February 2007
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 5
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikelMD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: 125 khz reader active component
    Posted: 17 February 2007 at 10:00am
Hello,

I am looking for a 125khz reader active component that has a range of up to 8-12", rather than 4-5"? I have discovered that I can buy them from HID and other manufacturers, but I would like to create my own.

Any ideas?
Mikel M Draghici
Back to Top
amal View Drop Down
Admin Group
Admin Group
Avatar

Joined: 22 November 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 2062
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote amal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 February 2007 at 10:10am
Well, first check out this post: http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=191&PN =1

On the USB based Phidgets reader, the chip that actually does the reading is an EM4097 which reads the EM41xx family of RFID tags. But, to get the range you're looking for, you'll have to build your own reader from scratch. Read range has a direct relationship to the combination of factors:

- output power the reader can push into the antenna, which in turn creates a large enough magnetic field to energize the tag at larger distances

- antenna shape and size (for the same reason above)

- reader components with enough sensitivity and signal pre-processing to be able to "hear" the tag's return signal without drowning it out by pushing too much power through the antenna

- finally, the tags themselves are an important component, particularly the tag antenna design. It takes two to tango, and it takes a coordination of both reader and tag to achieve very long ranges at 125KHz.

Buying a commercial long range reader will probably be easier and cheaper than trying to construct your own... but you can probably save money by building your own controlling circuitry and writing your own software for your RFID based project or solution.

Amal ;)
www.amal.net
Back to Top
MikelMD View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 16 February 2007
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 5
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikelMD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 February 2007 at 1:42pm
Thanks,

Then I will embark on the controller and software (path of least resistance). Any pointers on the controller creation?

P.S. Book is on it's way!
Mikel M Draghici
Back to Top
amal View Drop Down
Admin Group
Admin Group
Avatar

Joined: 22 November 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 2062
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote amal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 February 2007 at 2:02pm
Originally posted by MikelMD MikelMD wrote:

Then I will embark on the controller and software (path of least resistance). Any pointers on the controller creation?


I would probably look at buying one of the cheap parallel port or serial port controllers I referenced here: http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=202&PN =1

If you want to build something that does not require a PC, then I would look at using microprocessor like a Parallax STAMP module. Those have several I/O pins you can use to read data in from various RFID reader modules. You can then connect a serial based controller board to the microprocessor through a single I/O pin in order to control up to 8 different relays. Of course, you can control relays directly with the STAMP microprocessor's I/O pins, but I assume most of those pins you'd want to use for data input from different readers.

If you are going the PC route, and you really don't want to spend money on a relay control board, you can build your own using the parallel port. There is a wealth of information out there regarding the wonders of the parallel port... a great place to check out is this amazing site called ePanorama, specifically this page about the parallel port (pdf).

Alternatively, you can check out this book called "Controlling The World With Your PC"... I read it a few years ago and it opened my eyes to the simplicity of using various ports on my computer to manipulate, and in some cases, sense the outside world. Even though most computers don't have joystick ports anymore, their ability to convert analog signals to digital values that were easily read in almost every programming language was simply amazing to me. It comes with some example source code and pre-compiled programs as well. Well worth the read.


Edited by amal - 20 February 2007 at 1:19pm
Amal ;)
www.amal.net
Back to Top
Brett View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 17 April 2007
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 1
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brett Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 April 2007 at 3:19pm

Can a passive tag be modified to make it a semi-active tag to increase the range (or decrease tag antenna size)?

Back to Top
amal View Drop Down
Admin Group
Admin Group
Avatar

Joined: 22 November 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 2062
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote amal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2007 at 5:18pm
Originally posted by Brett Brett wrote:

Can a passive tag be modified to make it a semi-active tag to increase the range (or decrease tag antenna size)?

Hmm, well, I seriously doubt you'd want to modify a tag yourself... but if you have the gear and smarts, then anything is possible. A semi-active tag is basically a switched active tag where the passive "ping" from the reader results in an active "pong"... the only issue is going to be able to "ping" that tag using a passive reader. That means you'll basically be facing the same range issue you'd be facing using all passive tags.

One thing you can't do is decrease the size of a passive tag by making it semi-active... the antenna size might be smaller, but you'll add a lot of bulk by needing to add a battery or some other power source to power the active portion of the tag. Also, you'll still need a large passive antenna to receive the "ping" from the passive reader.

You'd probably be better off just creating an active tag. Depending on your application, you might not even need an "RFID" style tag and reader pair... you might just be able to get by creating a typical RF telemetry style device and simple receiver.

Amal ;)
www.amal.net
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.234 seconds.